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Mar 28, 2017

The Nicks debate nerdy names for Nicholas' yet-to-be-born son. And the escape from Bree, march through Midgewater Marshes, and the back roads to Weathertop, and the attack on the company.

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Notes for this episode

What Happened Last Time?:

Our Hobbits find themselves in the company of “Strider”, one of the rangers from the North. He knows more than he lets on initially and when tension is high none other than Butterbur comes bursting in finally delivering a letter for Frodo from GANDALF that he meant to deliver months ago.  Gandalf lobbies for Striders inclusion in the company, calling him by his true name “Aragorn” and the Hobbits agree to trust him.  Merry finally returns from his walk after being fetched by Nobb and tells us that the Black Riders are in Bree!  Strider helps them set decoys in their proper room and our hobbits drift off as night settles in and danger is closing!

Where Are We in the Narrative?:

Frodo and his companions have come all the way to Bree without the help of anyone, except Farmer Maggot and Tom Bombadil - now out of the Shire and in entirely new lands for any living Shire Hobbit save Bilbo the companions have taken on a new guide - Strider. With a little faith and a letter from Gandalf, and the almost certainty that they have no other choice their new companion plans to get them lost as soon as possible on road toward Weathertop and then toward Rivendell.

The Story in this Chapter:

  • Crickhollow attacked - 3 Black Riders
    • AWAKE ! FEAR! FIRE! FOES! AWAKE!
    • Last time the Horn of Buckland was sounded was 100 years ago, the white wolves came in the Fell Winter, when the Brandywine was frozen over
  • Prancing Pony infiltrated
    • The stable emptied
    • The southerner with no friends
  • Buying a pony from Bill
    • The goodness of Butterbur
  • Sam hits Bill in the face with an apple… and it was a waste of an apple
  • The Archet Feint / getting lost in a good way
    • “Short cuts, long cuts”
  • Midgewater Marshes (3rd day-5th day)
    • Neekerbreekers!
  • Lightning from the ground to the east (four nights out)
  • The moon!
  • Six days in the wilderness to get to Weathertop
  • History of Weathertop
    • Amon Sul
    • No barrows… the men of the west didn’t “live” here, but they defended it against Angmar.
    • It’s said that Elendil stood there watching Gil-Galad approach from the west in the days of the Last Alliance Gil Galad
    • “Starlight”
  • Fortnight to Rivendell
    • How long is a fortnight? (2 weeks
  • We get a bunch of the nature and limitations/ strengths of the Nazgul
  • The story of Tinuviel
    • Edith and John Tolkien's epitaphs "Beren" / "Luthien”
    • We’re told a wonderful story here, but the best telling is in the Silmarillion
  • Strider’s tale ends and the hobbits get up to stretch. They notice the moon rising above the hill and BOOOOM
  • Weathertop is attacked - 5 Black Riders
  • Un-hiding with the Ring
  • The crowned wraith
    • Approaches with a sword in one hand and a knife in the other.
      • This hand and blade are glowing when he approaches Frodo
  • Fire and ice the two blades
    • Frodo’s blade from the barrows - forged by the men of Westernesse to fight Angmar
    • The Crowned Wraith’s blade pierces with what feels like poisonous ice
  • Invoking the name of Elbereth!  Akin to “OH MY GOD!”

 

Notable Difference(s) from Films:

  • Top of the hill - in the ruins vs in the dell

Locations/Distance Traveled/Distance apart:

  • We leave Bree!  Archet, Midgewater Marsh, Amon Sul (Weathertop)

New Characters:

  • the Pony!

Info/History from Other Titles/Sources:

  1. Fell Winter - Tolkien Companion

What to Watch for in the Next Chapter:

  • Frodo was stabbed…. What does this mean in the long-run?

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Mar 18, 2017

The Nicks discuss whether Nicholas is in love with Aragorn and whether Frodo can trust Strider, the long-expected physical description of our main character, the danger outside, and a letter that is only 3 months late.

From the A Way With Words podcast episode entitled Pig Latin - 29 January 2017 -- "Why do so many people begin their sentences with the word So? In linguistics, this is called sentence-initial so. The word So at the start a sentence can serve a variety of functions."

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Map of Middle-earth 

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Notes for this episode

What Happened Last Time?:

Frodo, Sam, Pippin, and Merry take their leave of Tom Bombadil at the road outside of Bree, after a short walk they arrive at the gate at night and are greeted none-too-kindly by Harry the gatekeeper who is astonished that 4 Shire-hobbits have arrived after dark. Finding the Prancing Pony, and having a pleasant dinner Merry stays behind and/or goes for a walk in the town while Frodo, Sam, and Pippin visit the common room. They are greeted warmly by the locals, and find their stories welcome, though bordering on too much info. Frodo - trying to divert attention away from too many questions - accidentally makes their position much worse and raises more questions about themselves than ever.

Where Are We in the Narrative?:

Frodo and co. have finally made it to Bree after setting out from the Shire (small delays in the Old Forest and the Barrow Downs aside.) Gandalf is still MIA and word is spreading that he is unaccounted for.  A mysterious Ranger knows perhaps more than we’d like of Frodo Baggins of the Shire, and Rivendell seems a lofty distance away………………*OMINOUS*

The Story in this Chapter: (We didn't keep to our notes in the same way as other episodes)

  • Words we use differently - faggot
  • Strider - serious, friendly?, scared, knowledgeable, full of warnings, rascally look, quick ears, hunter, can avoid being seen, laughs, smiles, older than he looks, knows the lands from the Shire to the Misty Mountains (more?)
    • Reminds me of the CONSTANT VIGILANCE of Alastor “Mad-Eye” Moody
  • Overheard the hobbits on the road out of the downlands
    • Has been looking for Frodo
    • Hopped the gate
  • Things he says that show he knows things and/or is a friend
    • Knows Tom Bombadil
    • He knows what chases them, and their number (not given)
    • He knows Frodo’s first name, not just Baggins
    • “The secret”
      • Later mentions the Ring, no one mentions it before.
    • He speaks the verse
    • Shows the broken blade
    • Mentions that he learned of Frodo’s leaving the Shire from Gildor Inglorion
  • Bill Ferny
    • Swarthy sneering fellow
      • Swarthy means dark skinned (additional sources #1)
    • Would sell anything to anybody and make mischief for amusement
    • Friendly with a Southern stranger
  • Strider’s face and body language when speaking of the black riders
    • He is really afraid of them, which should scare the hobbits even more
    • “You fear them, but you do not fear them enough”
  • Sam - voice of reason? Caution
    • Stereotype of a vagabond
  • Frodo’s leadership
    • “Caution is one thing, and wavering is another”
    • Assumes that the riders have missed him.
  • Before the night is over the Black Riders will have heard of Frodo
  • Butterbur Arrives
    • Apologies aplenty - though weak
    • First descriptions of Frodo’s physicality (it’s only chapter 10)
      • Stout, red cheeks, taller than some, fairer than most, cleft chin, perky with a bright eye.
  • Frodo Baggins - Number 1 Bagshot Row - Bag End - Hobbiton in the Shire
    • Mid Year’s Day - Summer Solstice
      • We would think of this as the first day of Summer
      • EncArda - Mid-year’s Day - The day that marked the middle of the year
        • Also called Loëndë, the day that fell in the middle of the year was an important feature in many of the calendars of Middle-earth. On a modern calendar, Mid-year's Day would be 22 June.
        • (Additional Sources #2)
    • If Gandalf is not with him - he may be in trouble
      • Trouble is not far off - the black riders
      • Dogs yammering - geese screaming
      • Butterbur slammed the door on them
        • They’re getting a lot of rejection
  • Blocking Strider
    • Would never leave Bree
      • The idea makes him scared
  • MORDOR - The Shadow in the East
    • Butterbur even more scared
    • The worst news in Bree
  • Story of Bilbo known in Bree - people putting it all together
  • Merry is still missing
  • The Letter - Post Scripts
    • Gandalf was in haste and had to add three addendums to make sure he told all
      • 1 - don’t use it again - an assumption?
      • 2 - The real Strider - thanks for the poem…
        • Aragorn
        • Broken sword
      • 3 - Poor, poor, Butterbur
  • Gandalf in great danger
    • Not just a firework maker
  • Trust Strider?
    • Trust without proofs
    • “The enemy has set traps for me before now”
    • Wants friendship
    • Pippin - Handsome is as handsome does
      • “You would die first unless you are made of sterner stuff than you look to be”
    • Sam - Play-acting spy
      • “If I was after the ring” ← first-time “ring” is used this chapter
    • “If by my life or death I can save you, I will”
    • Enemy would “Seem fairer and feel fouler”
  • The verse
  • Out of Bree
    • Get lost
    • Go to Weathertop
  • Strider and Gandalf
    • Came back to the area in the Spring
    • Sarn Ford down the Brandywine - 1st of May
      • Strider learned the original plan
    • Strider is troubled about Gandalf’s absence
  • Word came to Strider from elven folk of Gildor had spread the word that Gandalf was missing and that the Riders were about.
    • Also, that Frodo has left Hobbiton - but no news about leaving Buckland (success!)
  • What can hold Gandalf back? - THE enemy?
    • “This business of ours will be his greatest task
  • Merry finally comes in, out of breath, he just saw the black riders!
    • Strider asks for more details, Merry is hesitant (first time he’s met him!)
    • Aragorn tells him he has a stout heart (dare I say surprised at him? Are they already proving more hardy than they look?), but Merry was “drawn somehow” after the Rider.
    • 2 Figures - one Muttering the other whispering or hissing.
    • Something knocked him over, made him feel like he had fallen into deep water.  Nobb found him with two men stooped over him… he called over to them and they fled.
      • Nobb shouting is also possibly a brave thing - though he lives in a place where Man-kind and Hobbit-kind are equals - maybe not so brave as typical for him.
    • Strider calls it “the black breath” and declares that the southerner is a spy, and Bill Ferny too!
    • Reassures that the Riders will not openly attack a home….. Yet.
    • Stay here… and do not go to your rooms… we’ll stay together and bar the door.
  • Frodo catches Merry up on everything he has missed while Strider and Nobb grab their luggage.
    • Nobb is proud of creating decoys of the hobbits in their rooms.
    • Pippin (at Frodo’s expense) - “Very lifelike”
    • Uncommon word for Nicholas when he first read this story - “Bolster” A long thick pillow placed under other pillows to add support or bolster them.
  • They block the door with a chair, Frodo draws the curtains and Strider lights a fire and sits in the chair against the door.
  • “Jumped over the moon… very ridiculous of you Frodo,” comments Merry.
  • Strider - “I hope so.”
  • SLEEP!

Other comments or observations:

  • What is the timing of the events alluded to in the chapter?
    • Gandalf met Strider - May 1
    • Gandalf wrote the letter (Mid-Year - June 22)- where was Frodo?
    • How many weeks has Frodo and company lost?
      • For that matter - how long has Gandalf been missing?

Notable Difference(s) from Films:

  • Much shorter sequence, Nobb is not involved, nor are any southerners or spies.
  • No letter from Gandalf.
  • We are not told Strider’s true name this soon in the films.

Locations/Distance Traveled/Distance apart:

  • Still in Bree/ The Prancing Pony

New Characters:

  • Bill Ferny - The swarthy, sneering, Breelander

Info/History from Other Titles/Sources:

  1. https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/swarthy - Swarthy means dark skinned. If you like tall, dark and handsome men, you find a swarthy complexion attractive. Not everyone with dark skin is swarthy. The word is usually used to describe someone whose skin is weather beaten and darkened by the sun, or has an olive complexion.
  2. http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/m/midyearsday.html

What to Watch for in the Next Chapter:

  • Back on the road with a new guide - trying to get lost in the wilderness - hoping Strider is a good guy (he is).

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Mar 12, 2017

The Nicks discuss going to the bar alone; being a stranger in a new land; Bree, the Bree-folk, and their sayings; the types people that travel through Bree and the Prancing Pony, and more!

Maps

Map of Middle-earth 

LoTRproject.com interactive map - Caution: spoilers for new readers!

 

Notes for this episode:

What Happened Last Time?

The hobbits get a restful night's sleep and leave the HOTB early in the morning making way through the Barrow Downs and up back to the main road to continue on to the village of Bree. BUT ITS NOT THAT EASY. After an unplanned inside-of-the-eyelids study leaning up against a standing stone session Frodo wakes up, it's dark out and FOG IS EVERYWHERE!!!  He tried to find the hobbits, gets caught by a wight, wakes up in a barrow, spots the others looking rightly terrible and, losing all hope, calls for Tom to come help using that little song.  Tom saves the day by gets them out of their predicament and walks them back up to the main road.

Where Are We in the Narrative?

Our heroes are finally arriving at what we can likely call our first major checkpoint of the adventure, Bree. After shortcuts through forests and fields, disastrous dealing with menacing trees, and barrow wights, and the luck of finding a friend in Farmer Maggot and Tom Bombadil to aid them on their road: Leaving the Shire has not been as easy as they, nor Gandalf would have predicted, and going back into civilization is both a relief and a threat. Many eyes and ears prying, who knows who is friend, and who is foe?

 

The Story in this Chapter:

  • The Breeland
  • Rangers
  • The Big Folk and the Little Folk
    • The Bree Folk
    • “Outsiders” to the Shire Folk
      • Many outsiders?
  • Dyke and Gate and the two main roads
    • “Strange as news from Bree”
  • The Northern Lands are desolate - What was up there? What is there now?  ANGMAR!  The old capital of Arnor, Annuminas, was northwest as well, on the shores of Lake Evendim.
  • Gatekeeper (Harry)
    • Suspicious of the Hobbits, and suspicious to the Hobbits
  • Dark Figure over the gate
    • Strider?
    • Black Rider?
    • Gollum?
  • Sam quails at the size of men
  • Prancing Pony First Impressions
  • Barliman Butterbur - thoughts?
    • short for a man - he’s a bit taller than hobbits and a bit shorter than most men
    • Seems to be a master of his trade. Can talk, knows when to be quiet and unassuming, friendly and inviting
    • His talk "doesn’t have no point" - he catches the Hobbits up on the basic particulars of what is happening in the inn tonight.
  • Bree Sayings
    • Strange as news from Bree (East Farthing)
    • It never rains, but it pours
    • There’s no accounting for East and West (the Rangers and Shire Folk) - The Bree version of “Strange as news from Bree”
  • Frodo, Sam, Pippin to the common room
  • Merry to hang back and maybe go for a walk outside
  • Bree Hobbits and names
  • Frodo using geography and history which are not used in Bree much, difference in language, or maybe difference in class/education
    • Mr. Brandybuck, Mr. Took, Sam Gamgee, Mr. Underhill
  • The Southerner
    • Solo?
    • Part of the company come up the Greenway?
  • Strider
    • Note the way he is described - physically
    • Tolkien gives as little as possible to describe
  • Even stranger travelers in Bree
  • Frodo’s foolish action
    • The Ring - A call from outside?
    • A jump over the moon - a slip - and the Ring’s opportunity to reveal itself
  • A song!
    • Tolkien’s purpose in writing the types of things he did, was to give England a kind of mythology, of which it was robbed by the arrival of invaders who brought their own.
    • In a little way, this is the same thing - giving us a long version of Hey Diddle Diddle
  • Is Frodo a traveling magician?!
  • Swarthy Breelander (Bill Ferny), Squint-eyed Southerner, and Harry the gatekeeper leave together
    • Harry and Bill both gatekeepers? (totally speculation)
  • Trying to describe the scene to Barliman
  • Strider uses Frodo’s proper surname and says that he put his foot in it or rather his finger
  • Clearing the house
  • Private meetings

Other comments or observations:

  • Who climbs over the wall?

Notable Difference(s) from Films:

We are back in line with the films!  Sort of.  The feel of Bree is remarkably different, especially TPP.

Locations/Distance Traveled/Distance apart:

  • East of the HoTB - up into the Barrow-downs, then northward toward the main road leading into the village of Bree.

New Characters:

  • Everyone our hobbits encounter!
  • Barliman
  • Strider
  • Harry at the Gate/Southerner/Breelander 

What to Watch for in the Next Chapter:

  • We learn more about Strider and our journey really begins.

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Mar 4, 2017

The Nicks discuss the consequences of sleeping, mid-day naps, getting lost in the fog, being ambushed by wights, running naked in the sun, singing about "old Fatty Lumpkin", and the history of Angmar and the small Kingdoms of former Arnor.

Maps

Map of Middle-earth 

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Map of the Small Kingdoms of former Arnor

Notes for this episode

What Happened Last Time?:

The Hobbits have found possibly the strangest thing in Middle-earth in the form of Tom Bombadil. “Master”, “eldest”, “he is as you see him” are just some of the terms used to describe the who and what of good ol’ Tom. Through song and tale he weaves his knowledge and divulges the hearts and goings on of the trees and other fantastic beasts in the Old Forest, and he even knows a thing or two about the Ring, though it curiously doesn’t seem to affect him very much, if at all. Now the Hobbits, are laid to rest before venturing forth from the house of Tom Bombadil back toward the road, and then toward Rivendell.

The Story in this Chapter:

  • Waking
  • Leave taking
  • Goldberry is calling after them!
  • A view of the road - but not really
  • An unexpected nap
  • Fog on the Barrow-downs
  • “Follow me!”... “Where are you guys?”
  • Atop the Barrow
  • Within the Barrow
  • Garbed in white, with circlets, and rings
  • A sword lay across their necks
  • A SEVERED ARM crawls toward them like a macabre spider
  • Calling out to Tom Bombadil Frodo finds his voice again.
  • Running in the sun to shake off the darkness
  • Fatty Lumpkin - Tom’s pony!
  • On the road to Bree.

Other comments or observations:

  • Angmar!  Carn Dum!   Nick Andrew LOVES THESE PLACES!!
  • Referenced in the Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies as the reason Bolg travels north and Tauriel and Legolas follow him -- the threat of a resurrected Angmar is too much to ignore!
  • LotRO Players who completed the first major story arc of the game's narrative got to know Angmar extremely well. Most of you even got to play through a raid into Carn Dum itself.
  • Speaking of Carn Dum, it's an oddity in the world of Middle-earth as we don’t exactly know what that name means… we can assume it is a compound of Elvish and Dwarvish, in which case it means “the Red Halls.”  Creepy, eh?
  • Angmar was founded in midway point through the third age of ME with a singular purpose… DESTROY any and all remnant of the North that brought about Sauron’s demise at the War of the Last Alliance.  
  • Witch-king!!!!!!

Notable Difference(s) from Films:

We get a small shot of the fog-laden Barrow-downs as one of the Nazgul looks over it atop his horse.

Locations/Distance Traveled/Distance apart:

  • East of the HoTB - up into the Barrow-downs, then northward toward the main road leading into the village of Bree.

New Characters:

  • The barrow wight

Info/History from Other Titles/Sources:

  • Lots of information about Carn Dum and Angmar in Tolkien’s various other published works. I highly encourage you to check them out -- even if you just google it.

What to Watch for in the Next Chapter:

  • BREE!

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